Peta makes champion horse breeding seem to easy

[Bazinga!!]

Seriously, breeding goats seems like a billion times easier than breeding horses. Toss a buck out with 'em when you want 'em bred, toss his ass back in his pen when he's done. Wait 5 months and bam, you got kids. (actually, I wish it were that simple....)

lol! I have heard that goat people are as maticulous as horse people with breeding. But I also throw the mares in with Ace/McDreamy. He knows his mares. We keep them in there a month, then get them ultra sounded another month later. And never had one not take. We don't hand breed him. It makes for bad manners IMHO

[Angry Dog]

We don't hand breed him. It makes for bad manners IMHO

I'm inclined to agree, seeing as horses have gotten along just fine for years without the willy grabbing

[Bazinga!!]

We don't hand breed him. It makes for bad manners IMHO

I'm inclined to agree, seeing as horses have gotten along just fine for years without the willy grabbing

Yeah, you REALLY don't want them in the mind set that when they are in hand (on a line) they are breeding if they happen to walk toward a certain area of the property. Or approach a mare. For some studs it works. But those are few and far between.

[Badattituud]

PeTA fails to take into account that The Jockey Club REQUIRES that ALL Thoroughbred foals be the result of live cover ONLY.


If you are caught using AI to breed TB mares to TB stallions, TJC will jerk the papers for (I believe) the entire crop.


But then PeTA never was one to let a pesky thing like the truth get in the way of a perfectly good money making scheme.

[Badattituud]

We don't hand breed him. It makes for bad manners IMHO

I'm inclined to agree, seeing as horses have gotten along just fine for years without the willy grabbing

Yeah, you REALLY don't want them in the mind set that when they are in hand (on a line) they are breeding if they happen to walk toward a certain area of the property. Or approach a mare. For some studs it works. But those are few and far between.

BAck when I was a much younger woman, my parents purchased almost all the shares of an own son of Buckpasser/half brother to Dr. Fager.  He was 8 when we got him and HORRIBLE and dangerous to handle.


After a year of having him at an experienced stud (where we got a 30% conception rate) we brought him home.   At 9 years old, we broke him to ride and taught him ground manners.


As we did not have the facilities for a teasing horse, he took on teasing duties along with breeding.   It was the best thing we could have done for him.    Teasing/breeding time was 8am and 5pm.   He was not allowed to be an asshole and was expected to behave in a gentlemanly manner at all times.   (example - he was not allowed to approach a mare in the breeding area until he stood quietly and calmly and approached her like a gentleman)  He did require a little bit of "willy grabbing" as he had terrible aim.


During other times of the day, I would take him out and ride him in the same arena that held "his" mares during teasing times or would just turn him out for free play in it.  (We had a short lane connecting the arena with the broodmare pasture - the arena fence was a border between the two for an arena length)  For the first week or so, he'd get an erection when taken from his stall.  Many people told me to punish him for that but since we were also overcoming mental breeding issues with him, that was not an option.   After a few days of being brought out for purposes other than breeding, he settled right down.


Unless he had a mare squirting in his face in the breeding area, he was indistinguishable from a gelding.  And, even then, he was a highly manageable horse - never needing more than a regular halter and (chainless) lead rope for breeding and teasing.  Having him loose in the arena with nothing more than an 8 foot (see through) fence between him and all his mares wasn't a problem either - it's like he knew he'd get his when the time came.


Moral of the story:


It's not hand breeding in and of itself that makes for unruly stallions - it's studs that allow them to be assholes.


(not to imply you are one of those studs Dun..)

[Bazinga!!]

I agree 100%. I've seen some disasters at studs. A big time APHA circuit participant who stood the best horse in the SE, lost him to a dummy mare. Yes.. a fake collection mare.. because he was so unrully he broke his cannon bone attacking it. Another last year was lost when a stable hand decided it was a grand idea to throw a mare in the round pen they kept their stud in.. no he didn't get stalled or pastured. Just a round pen. She struck him in the head and killed him instantly. A million stories.

You did it right. Basically how we see things. Technically McDreamy's ability to breed "willy nilly" in "his" pasture should make him unruly in his pasture. But he is also expect to be ridden alone and with mares, his pasture is also our arena. So he has to deal with mares on a working and breeding level in the same area.

[Titties 'n Beer]

My friend pasture-breeds all her horses, and the only issues her stallions have (I'm pretty sure she only has 2 now) is they get a little nippy, which seems to be something genetic, since their sire did it and their brothers do it, stallion or no. Their older stallion can get impatient and pushy, but it usually doesn't have anything to do with mares or breeding, more that he just wants to go somewhere.

Of course, they always seem to get the good boys. They had one that you could trim, clip, bathe and lead without a halter or anything else.  Hell, one of them I was grazing in a busted up rope halter and flip-flops (yes, stupid me....) less than 10 feet from a mare in heat AND  the stallion they had in with her, and all he did was look over every once in a while and go right back to filling his face. Of course, he ended up being sold a month ago, he got bored and turned into a little prick who wanted to bite everything and everyone, no matter what. It wasn't because of how he was handled, it was more from how he wasn't handled. He was an OTTB who had been ridden every single day of his life up until the point they bought him, and nobody could actually handle him well enough to keep riding him every day. He swore he was still a racehorse and would haul ass across the pasture with you like it was the Kentucky Derby.