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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2009, 11:25 am »
Well, this theory has been thoroughly crushed. *wipes hands*

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So if a pound of beef takes 3,500 gallons of water, what difference does it make? How many vegetarians drive a car? To make a car (including tires), it takes about 40,000 gallons of fresh water. That's not including the gas it takes to run the car, the electricity to run the gas station, the water used to create the boat that brought your precious oil, the water used to create the pavement you drive on, the destruction of toxic chemicals that went into creating your clothes, and the electricity you use every day to send me stupid emails over the internet. Every year you are directly responsible for the consumption of billions of gallons of water. There are 26 million people suffering preventable brain damage from iodine deficiency, and another 1.5 billion people at risk. Nevermind that, you have animals to save. By driving your cars, you pump billions of tons of poison into the atmosphere and you're slowly killing us all. The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy. All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.
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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2009, 11:35 am »
Well, this theory has been thoroughly crushed. *wipes hands*

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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2009, 01:52 pm »
:lol: Nice try though, Wilson. It's always difficult to try and line up your belief system with science.

You got all that from a few link to add to this section..? Mmmmm


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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2009, 02:28 pm »
A theory suggesting a closer relationship to orangs based on physiology does not nor will it ever trump genetic evidence. Have a coke and a smile and get the fuck over it
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So if a pound of beef takes 3,500 gallons of water, what difference does it make? How many vegetarians drive a car? To make a car (including tires), it takes about 40,000 gallons of fresh water. That's not including the gas it takes to run the car, the electricity to run the gas station, the water used to create the boat that brought your precious oil, the water used to create the pavement you drive on, the destruction of toxic chemicals that went into creating your clothes, and the electricity you use every day to send me stupid emails over the internet. Every year you are directly responsible for the consumption of billions of gallons of water. There are 26 million people suffering preventable brain damage from iodine deficiency, and another 1.5 billion people at risk. Nevermind that, you have animals to save. By driving your cars, you pump billions of tons of poison into the atmosphere and you're slowly killing us all. The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy. All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.
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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2009, 03:00 pm »
And I thought you would look further back, silly me.... :rolleyes:

Why should I? We are homo sapiens, not homo erectus or habilis or australopithecus africanus. The only thing that list goes to show is that with the ability to eat more meat, the homonid line evolved larger brains and more thinking power. Somehow I don't think that is the point you were trying to make.

Either way, Homo Sapiens evolved as omnivores. All you've proven with posting that link is that that is the truth. Thank you, by the way, for helping to support every argument that homo sapiens are indeed omnivores.

I have never stated we are not, I have posted something of interest in the evolution section, read the title.
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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2009, 03:44 pm »
And I thought you would look further back, silly me.... :rolleyes:

Why should I? We are homo sapiens, not homo erectus or habilis or australopithecus africanus. The only thing that list goes to show is that with the ability to eat more meat, the homonid line evolved larger brains and more thinking power. Somehow I don't think that is the point you were trying to make.

Either way, Homo Sapiens evolved as omnivores. All you've proven with posting that link is that that is the truth. Thank you, by the way, for helping to support every argument that homo sapiens are indeed omnivores.

I have never stated we are not, I have posted something of interest in the evolution section, read the title.

A link that says humans are closely related to orangutans, followed directly by a link that presents the orangutan diet as being mostly frugivores, and you're not trying to prove a link? Riiiight, but don't let me stop you, Wilson, keep going. I'd love to see just how well you backpedal.
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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2009, 03:54 pm »
And I thought you would look further back, silly me.... :rolleyes:

Why should I? We are homo sapiens, not homo erectus or habilis or australopithecus africanus. The only thing that list goes to show is that with the ability to eat more meat, the homonid line evolved larger brains and more thinking power. Somehow I don't think that is the point you were trying to make.

Either way, Homo Sapiens evolved as omnivores. All you've proven with posting that link is that that is the truth. Thank you, by the way, for helping to support every argument that homo sapiens are indeed omnivores.

I have never stated we are not, I have posted something of interest in the evolution section, read the title.

A link that says humans are closely related to orangutans, followed directly by a link that presents the orangutan diet as being mostly frugivores, and you're not trying to prove a link? Riiiight, but don't let me stop you, Wilson, keep going. I'd love to see just how well you backpedal.

Could have copied the wrong link (insert Mel, it possible it is)
It was meant to be the main page.

Just to note I have ALWAYS stated it a question of ethics.
Eat the Passover Feast: After sunset when Passover started, Israel was to celebrate the feast by eating the Passover lamb with unleavened bread and bitter herbs (Exodus 12:8) and to tell the story of what God had done for them. When Jesus fed the five thousand, He kept this feast, the same with feeding the four thousand and the Last Supper. It seems that Jesus only served a meal when He celebrated this feast on a solar Passover. The Lamb was missing at these feasts except the Last Supper unless one recognized that Jesus was the Lamb.

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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2009, 04:52 pm »
What the hell does human evolution have to do with ethics...at all? Backpedal faster
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So if a pound of beef takes 3,500 gallons of water, what difference does it make? How many vegetarians drive a car? To make a car (including tires), it takes about 40,000 gallons of fresh water. That's not including the gas it takes to run the car, the electricity to run the gas station, the water used to create the boat that brought your precious oil, the water used to create the pavement you drive on, the destruction of toxic chemicals that went into creating your clothes, and the electricity you use every day to send me stupid emails over the internet. Every year you are directly responsible for the consumption of billions of gallons of water. There are 26 million people suffering preventable brain damage from iodine deficiency, and another 1.5 billion people at risk. Nevermind that, you have animals to save. By driving your cars, you pump billions of tons of poison into the atmosphere and you're slowly killing us all. The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy. All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.
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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2009, 05:12 pm »
And I thought you would look further back, silly me.... :rolleyes:

Why should I? We are homo sapiens, not homo erectus or habilis or australopithecus africanus. The only thing that list goes to show is that with the ability to eat more meat, the homonid line evolved larger brains and more thinking power. Somehow I don't think that is the point you were trying to make.

Either way, Homo Sapiens evolved as omnivores. All you've proven with posting that link is that that is the truth. Thank you, by the way, for helping to support every argument that homo sapiens are indeed omnivores.

I have never stated we are not, I have posted something of interest in the evolution section, read the title.

A link that says humans are closely related to orangutans, followed directly by a link that presents the orangutan diet as being mostly frugivores, and you're not trying to prove a link? Riiiight, but don't let me stop you, Wilson, keep going. I'd love to see just how well you backpedal.

Could have copied the wrong link (insert Mel, it possible it is)
It was meant to be the main page.

Just to note I have ALWAYS stated it a question of ethics.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090618084304.htm

http://www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/orangutan/diet.htm


Hmm. Sciencedaily.com. Seaworld.org. Right.

I'm with Coonhound, where do the ethics come into play?
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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2009, 12:29 am »
A theory suggesting a closer relationship to orangs based on physiology does not nor will it ever trump genetic evidence. Have a coke and a smile and get the fuck over it
Jest in case we forgot the original context of the thread amidst Wilson's amusing backpedal fest
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So if a pound of beef takes 3,500 gallons of water, what difference does it make? How many vegetarians drive a car? To make a car (including tires), it takes about 40,000 gallons of fresh water. That's not including the gas it takes to run the car, the electricity to run the gas station, the water used to create the boat that brought your precious oil, the water used to create the pavement you drive on, the destruction of toxic chemicals that went into creating your clothes, and the electricity you use every day to send me stupid emails over the internet. Every year you are directly responsible for the consumption of billions of gallons of water. There are 26 million people suffering preventable brain damage from iodine deficiency, and another 1.5 billion people at risk. Nevermind that, you have animals to save. By driving your cars, you pump billions of tons of poison into the atmosphere and you're slowly killing us all. The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy. All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.
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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2009, 07:29 am »
And I thought you would look further back, silly me.... :rolleyes:

Why should I? We are homo sapiens, not homo erectus or habilis or australopithecus africanus. The only thing that list goes to show is that with the ability to eat more meat, the homonid line evolved larger brains and more thinking power. Somehow I don't think that is the point you were trying to make.

Either way, Homo Sapiens evolved as omnivores. All you've proven with posting that link is that that is the truth. Thank you, by the way, for helping to support every argument that homo sapiens are indeed omnivores.

I have never stated we are not, I have posted something of interest in the evolution section, read the title.

A link that says humans are closely related to orangutans, followed directly by a link that presents the orangutan diet as being mostly frugivores, and you're not trying to prove a link? Riiiight, but don't let me stop you, Wilson, keep going. I'd love to see just how well you backpedal.

Could have copied the wrong link (insert Mel, it possible it is)
It was meant to be the main page.

Just to note I have ALWAYS stated it a question of ethics.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090618084304.htm

http://www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/orangutan/diet.htm


Hmm. Sciencedaily.com. Seaworld.org. Right.

I'm with Coonhound, where do the ethics come into play?

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Evolution                                Where did we come from?  Why are we omnivores? Anything relating to how we evolved into who we are today.
Yes Mmmm, looks more like a contribution to the section on evolution to me, you know in hope other "long term respected" members would like to discuss instead of attacking..? DO you want to turn everything into a pissing match?
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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2009, 08:14 am »
Then why even bother to list diet?
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So if a pound of beef takes 3,500 gallons of water, what difference does it make? How many vegetarians drive a car? To make a car (including tires), it takes about 40,000 gallons of fresh water. That's not including the gas it takes to run the car, the electricity to run the gas station, the water used to create the boat that brought your precious oil, the water used to create the pavement you drive on, the destruction of toxic chemicals that went into creating your clothes, and the electricity you use every day to send me stupid emails over the internet. Every year you are directly responsible for the consumption of billions of gallons of water. There are 26 million people suffering preventable brain damage from iodine deficiency, and another 1.5 billion people at risk. Nevermind that, you have animals to save. By driving your cars, you pump billions of tons of poison into the atmosphere and you're slowly killing us all. The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy. All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.
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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2009, 10:41 am »

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Evolution                                Where did we come from?  Why are we omnivores? Anything relating to how we evolved into who we are today.
Yes Mmmm, looks more like a contribution to the section on evolution to me, you know in hope other "long term respected" members would like to discuss instead of attacking..? DO you want to turn everything into a pissing match?

Oh, yeah, I mean we should've discussed. Like about what the researchers are talking about and whether it is solid grounding for their theory or not, but no one did-

Oh, wait.

"Schwartz and Grehan scrutinized the hundreds of physical characteristics often cited as evidence of evolutionary relationships among humans and other great apes..."

Wait, what? Reject DNA I mean who cares about that - we just have a lot of parts that "look" like parts that Orangutans have! We must be similar! Like, you know, Hyenas and canines. Totally similar, I mean, look at them.

Hey, but if that's what they feel works, then more power to them. That's how science gets done, by taking what's accepted and figuring out whether it works or not. Still, I would have liked to see a list of just what is similar between humans and orangutans, what kind of factors are in play.

It's interesting how they link Orangutans to Homo Sapiens, considering they call the original ideas of ape and hominid migration convulated, and then come up with one that is sitting in the same boat as the other. "Well, there just might have been forests that stretched down there, and there could have been a possibility that that is how they migrated." Okay. Right. Sure. That's much better.

Oh, and thanks for that last link. It says basically what everyone who can actually understand evolution knows, "The smallest tooth sizes are found in those areas where food-processing techniques have been used for the longest time."

Sooooo... yeah.

Oh, and PS, if we go back far enough, we can be found to have a common ancestor with every single thing on the planet. It's crazy, I know, but that's  evolution for you.

Oh, but I guess it's easy to overlook the 1-2-3 posts I made discussing and taking apart the scientists theories. I mean, it's not like they were a paragraph each or anything. :rolleyes:
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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2009, 10:47 am »

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Evolution                                Where did we come from?  Why are we omnivores? Anything relating to how we evolved into who we are today.
Yes Mmmm, looks more like a contribution to the section on evolution to me, you know in hope other "long term respected" members would like to discuss instead of attacking..? DO you want to turn everything into a pissing match?

Oh, yeah, I mean we should've discussed. Like about what the researchers are talking about and whether it is solid grounding for their theory or not, but no one did-

Oh, wait.

"Schwartz and Grehan scrutinized the hundreds of physical characteristics often cited as evidence of evolutionary relationships among humans and other great apes..."

Wait, what? Reject DNA I mean who cares about that - we just have a lot of parts that "look" like parts that Orangutans have! We must be similar! Like, you know, Hyenas and canines. Totally similar, I mean, look at them.

Hey, but if that's what they feel works, then more power to them. That's how science gets done, by taking what's accepted and figuring out whether it works or not. Still, I would have liked to see a list of just what is similar between humans and orangutans, what kind of factors are in play.

It's interesting how they link Orangutans to Homo Sapiens, considering they call the original ideas of ape and hominid migration convulated, and then come up with one that is sitting in the same boat as the other. "Well, there just might have been forests that stretched down there, and there could have been a possibility that that is how they migrated." Okay. Right. Sure. That's much better.

Oh, and thanks for that last link. It says basically what everyone who can actually understand evolution knows, "The smallest tooth sizes are found in those areas where food-processing techniques have been used for the longest time."

Sooooo... yeah.

Oh, and PS, if we go back far enough, we can be found to have a common ancestor with every single thing on the planet. It's crazy, I know, but that's  evolution for you.

Oh, but I guess it's easy to overlook the 1-2-3 posts I made discussing and taking apart the scientists theories. I mean, it's not like they were a paragraph each or anything. :rolleyes:

I think you will find that it's common practise around this place for people to start a topic and leave it for the rest to bash it out. What went over your head is that even science has differing "scientific" views ;)

I call that "hook line and sinker" ;)
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Re: New evidence underscores the theory of human origin
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2009, 10:55 am »
No. You've failed at basic biology here
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So if a pound of beef takes 3,500 gallons of water, what difference does it make? How many vegetarians drive a car? To make a car (including tires), it takes about 40,000 gallons of fresh water. That's not including the gas it takes to run the car, the electricity to run the gas station, the water used to create the boat that brought your precious oil, the water used to create the pavement you drive on, the destruction of toxic chemicals that went into creating your clothes, and the electricity you use every day to send me stupid emails over the internet. Every year you are directly responsible for the consumption of billions of gallons of water. There are 26 million people suffering preventable brain damage from iodine deficiency, and another 1.5 billion people at risk. Nevermind that, you have animals to save. By driving your cars, you pump billions of tons of poison into the atmosphere and you're slowly killing us all. The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy. All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.
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